SoBoBlog: News, rumors and oddments by and for the people of South Baltimore
by Colleen Wolfe
soboblog@baltimoreguide.com
Folks in Federal Hill who are sick of the drunken, rowdy crowds of college-age drinkers descending upon their neighborhood every weekend are crossing their fingers and hoping they see some relief soon. City Council President Stephanie Rawlings-Blake introduced a resolution into the council on March 17 calling for a public hearing with the chairman of the Liquor Board regarding enforcement of its regulations. Rawlings-Blake introduced the resolution, which is also co-sponsored by 11th District Councilman William Cole IV, in response to complaints from community organizations that accuse the Liquor Board of weak enforcement of liquor laws and trivial fines for repeat offenders.
In a press release, Rawlings-Blake outlined some of the topics she hopes will be covered during the hearings, including the enforcement of BD-7 licenses and repeat violators who continue to sell alcohol to minors, the level of cooperation between the Liquor Board inspectors and the police, and the adequacy of current statutes, zoning laws, and regulations.
Judging by the responses I received concerning my column from last week about drunken, rowdy frat boys wreaking havoc in Federal Hill, I’d say that any action taken to get the Liquor Board to clamp down on bars that perpetuate binge drinking and raucous behavior would be welcome.
Neighbors are just plain fed up with the noise, trash and vandalism that has gradually increased in a community that started its gentrification long before many Baltimore neighborhoods even heard of the word.
Celeste Collier, a former resident of Riverside Avenue who moved to Locust Point, emailed me with her take on what the change in the nightlife scene has done to her former neighborhood. “I remember the times not so long ago where you could go to Cross Street and Charles Street for a night out and feel a sense of just having a nice time. The establishments that have been here for such a long time have always kept their place of business in line… I certainly do realize people like a good time but when others come from outside and disrespect, urinate, destroy property, vomit on someone’s steps and make obnoxious noise then it is time for the community to stick together or we will end up like a lost side of town with no hope.”
“In the last two years we’ve noticed more bars that cater to the drinking crowd with specials ($1 drafts or on St. Patrick’s Day 25 cents a beer). There are less restaurants that cater to people who are interested in going out for a good dinner, or shops that people can afford to buy things they need in…Groups of 20 somethings walk like lemmings to the bars and crawl from drink special to drink special. Bottles and cups are left on sidewalks, alleys, steps and tree wells. I’ve found entire outfits discarded in the alley behind my house. I’ve heard screaming matches and creative swearing monologues at 2 a.m. when the bars let out,” wrote an anonymous neighbor.
And then there was a response from another Federal Hill resident who thinks it will only get worse. “You haven’t seen anything yet. It’s only going to get worse and you can thank your local liquor board. Wait until Mother’s opens another 4500 square feet. Even after significant neighborhood opposition, the Liquor Board rolled over and agreed to make an existing mega bar even larger,” wrote Jeff Miller.
Actually the expansion of Mother’s will be 3800 square feet. But Miller is correct about one thing. There was significant neighborhood opposition and the Liquor Board approved the expansion anyway.
“They have been very vocal,” said Dave Rather, owner of Mothers, when asked about the response from the neighborhood, although he said he wouldn’t characterize the response as 100 percent opposed. Rather said the expansion will enlarge the kitchen and dining room as well as the bar, although he said he doesn’t know how much the new space will increase his capacity yet. And the plans will add some features that will appeal to the crowd that gravitates more towards the dining room instead of the bar. The new configuration will allow people wanting to eat to get to the dining room without having to navigate through the bar area as you have to do now.
But there’s more to be concerned about than just drunk kids in the streets. It’s what the behavior of those kids will do to the neighborhood-friendly businesses. As the rowdiness grows and residents get leery of going out, it translates into a loss of customers for the restaurant and shop owners who have been in Federal Hill for years and rely on their regular customers from the neighborhood.
“When we do go out, I make sure we are not walking back through the neighborhood after about 9 p.m. because of the throngs of people, many of whom are well on their way to being a walking (or driving) hazard,” wrote the anonymous emailer.
“If I’m going to spend $150 on dinner at Corks do I want to subject myself to a bunch of folks who are coming out of a bar and have been playing beer pong all night long?” said Paul Robinson, president of the Federal Hill Neighborhood Association.
Robinson said that members of the FHNA trend to be older professionals that have been in Federal Hill for years and are the type of resident that are more likely to be a regular at Corks or Regis. He said that his fellow association members have had it with the bar crowd. It’s gotten out of control and even with cooperation from all of the neighborhood associations and the police, without the bar owners willing to make concessions he’s at a loss as to how to deal with the situation. “You have to be good neighbors,” said Robinson.
Robinson fears that with so much development on the waterfront, businesses will start to move towards the more affluent areas on the water where they wouldn’t have to deal with the headaches that come with living side by side with the youth-centric bars.
“We need to support our local businesses to keep them in the neighborhood,” Robinson said about the part neighbors need to play in keeping more businesses from leaving.
For their part, Robinson gives much deserved kudos to the police for working with him on the problems. Crowds started early on the Saturday before St. Patrick’s Day, jamming into bars for a marathon session of drinking. Robinson said last year was out of control and he neighbors didn’t want to see a repeat. Major Bloodsworth of the Southern District promised Robinson that by 2:30 a.m. there wouldn’t be a single sign of any drinkers on the streets. “He kept his promise. Thirty minutes after 2 a.m. every bar was closed and everyone was gone,” said Robinson.
But even with cooperation from police and elected officials, without the same cooperation from the bar owners, relief may not be coming. “We all ought to be able to get along and live neighbor to neighbor,” said Robinson. “All these interests have a legitimate place at the table,” he added.
He wrote in a recent email to Councilmen Ed Reisinger and Bill Cole that the resolution Rawlings-Blake introduced was welcome and urged the councilmen to take aggressive leadership roles in working on the problem.
I want to thank those that emailed me with their concerns. I write this column every week with the residents of South Baltimore in mind. Every person who takes the time to share their opinions, good or bad, helps me keep in touch with what matters to you. Email me at soboblog@baltimoreguide.com anytime with whatever is on your mind.
March 26th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Lots of neighbors commented on the original column. Read what they have to say here:
http://www.baltimoreguide.com/2008/03/20/soboblog-news-rumors-oddments-people-south-baltimore-23/#comments
March 26th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Once again…the comments made by certain community leaders are inaccurate. It is always a back biting mentality.
For the record…The Police and Security detail to be specific was not put in to place by Paul Robinson or anyone at the FHNA for that matter. The Federal Hill Hospitality Association paid for off-duty police and private security. We also coordianted our efforts w/ Commander Bloodsworth. Stop the spin…for once give credit where credit is due Mr. Robinson. In the long run it will all be much more positive to building a better community.
March 26th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Generally I am not one for hiding being a blog to make a point. However an earlier post from Brian McComas the titular owner of Ryleigh’s and an organization referred to as the Federal Hill Hospitality Association begs a response.
I have read and re-read Coleen Wolfe’s latest SoBbBlog Column and I suggest that perhaps you should have done the same before pressing the send button on your post. Nowhere am I quoted as suggestion that FHNA was alone is assuring that proper planning a precautions in the form of additional security were put in place in order to assure the safety of everyone residents and participants in your organization’s St Patrick’s Day event. In fact, my praise for the job done by our Southern District Major Scott Bloodsworth and his dedicated officers in “keeping the peace” during and after the event was part of comment celebrating the level of cooperation between all of the parties in interest including FHNA, the South Baltimore Improvement Committee, the Sharp Leadenhall Improvement Committee and members of your organization.
I am sure than Ms. Wolfe will be happy to confirm this and hope that she will do so in an effort to dispel any misconceptions in this respect.
March 26th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
It speaks volumes that off-duty police and a security detail need to be in place during business hours and that police need to commit resources to maintaining the peace after 2:00 am in an affluent neighborhood. This is an admission that matters are out of hand. Can we ever get back to those cozy little “dives” as someone referred to earlier? Probably not, but at least back then the streets were not packed with 20 somethings and underage drinkers defiling the neighborhood.
City officials turned their backs on the residents and, at times, encouraged the creation of
mega-bars.
The Federal Hill Hospitality Association? Does it have a mission statement?
Does anyone remember the “study” done by Federal Hill Main Street using the (I’m not making this up) Responsible Hospitality Institute. The study floated that, because the Federal Hill was a mix of empty nesters tax payers homeowners and 30 something non-tax paying renters,we needed more bars and restaurants to keep everyone entertained. Go figure.
March 26th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
I did read it. It wreaks of your usual spin on issues. The under currents are there. “celebrating the level of cooperation between all parties…” If you had said that in your post it may have been a step in the right direction. Just say it don’t spin it. You didn’t work w. the police Paul. You worked w/ the FHHA all be it you won’t admit it publically. The FHHA outlined the security and worked w/ the Commander Bloodsworth on execution of the security plan. You invited the leadership of the FHHA and the Commander to an FHNA board meeting to ask questions. You played the role until the end that you were involved in the process. The plan was in place. It was a courtesy to you and your board as you may recall. It was the FHHA reaching out.
What you could have said when quoted, if you were actually looking to unite a neighborhood rather than divide it, was, that the St. Patty’s Day weekend was a clear example of how when the community and its leaders work together, progress and positive outcomes can be achieved. Kudos to the newly formed FHHA and their commitment to hold events responsibly and in the best interests of the neighborhood. But that would just not be your style Paul. Re-read your own comments. It was spin.
March 26th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Dick,
I have read the “study,” which seems to have been partly a collection of anecdotes from an unscientifically formed focus group (5 people representing the 25 or so bars, 5 representing the 5000 or so residents, 5 from the city government, and 5 other business owners, all non-randomly chosen). And that is the “good” part of the report: although it’s hard to say what conclusions we could draw from it, at least there are some real opinions in there from interested parties. Maybe it could be used as a jumping off point for some discussions, or provide background to a serious study by a reasonably impartial party.
The troubling part of that report to me was that there is, interspersed in the report among these anecdotes, a bevy of random facts and analyses that are misleading and in many cases simply inaccurate. As an example, the report cites to national trends in age demographics (a surge in the number of young adults) as a reason for a need for more bars in Federal Hill. I looked up the number at the Census, and it turns out they are referring to an increase in 15-24 yr-olds from 13.9% of the population to 14.25% between 2000 and 2006. Does that sound like a reason for us to reorganize the community? It sure doesn’t to me.
I have plenty more to say about the RHI report, but suffice it to say, if anyone is relying on it to make decisions about development in Baltimore, they might also be pleased to learn that CT scans can prevent 80 percent of lung cancer deaths (recent research funded by tobacco companies).
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/health/research/26lung.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
March 26th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
In fairness to both sides, I must say that although I personally wasn’t in favor of another Pub Crawl, the planning and executing (not to mention the cost)of additonal security in the area, spearheaded by Ryleigh’s owner Brian McComas, should be commended. This year’s Pub Crawl was conducted in a much more “civilized” manner than the previous year’s. I personally have seen much worse behaviour at the Street Festivals put on several times a year! And let’s not forget, the bars were expecting an influx of approximately 1,000 people - yet on a Ravens game day, there are usually five times that amount. I live several blocks away from the bars, and our street has much more trouble after the games - and judging by the timeframe, these are people coming home FROM the stadium, as they are usually not far behind us when we arrive home after the game… I grew up in this area, where there was a dive bar on every corner - and the patrons would stagger home each night, creating havoc similar to what we are currently seeing, but with a shorter distance to travel. There HAS to be a way for both sides to work together (including our elected City officials) for the betterment of an incredible community that we all love or we wouldn’t be so passionate about the issues (as is evident by the apathy of many other City neighborhoods). Now if we could put all this passion and energy into working on the solutions, instead of wasting it on finger pointing and blame placing, we might actually make some progress!!
March 27th, 2008 at 6:20 am
All I have to say to the folks in Federal Hill is this: Have you been to Fell’s Point lately??? Another historic neighborhood crumbling under super egoic bar owners who claim to care about the area- but don’t actually LIVE there. hmmm. Please don’t let Historic Federal Hill dissolve like Fell’s Point. It is heartbreaking to watch. Federal Hill (at least Cross Street) already stinks like funk even during the day- the sidewalks are disgusting…
these historic little streets were not intended for all of this traffic- how are the bars expanding without being able to provide more parking? “Affluent” neighborhood. Same ego problems. Good Luck in finding a positive resolution.
March 27th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
At this point, it certainly seems worth noting that the original article appearing in the SoBoBlog Column in last week’s print edition of the Guide concerned the apparent difficulties that reporter Colleen Wolfe and a dining companion experienced while attempting to enjoy a leisurely dinner at Ryleigh’s while the staff was busy converting this “restaurant” into a night-club.
Any attempt on Mr McComas’ part to divert attention from this issue by launching into personal attacks and accusations of “spin” simply do nothing to address the core issues raised in Ms. Wolfe’s original column.
Perhaps a better solution would be for Mr. McComas to invest his time and energy making sure that both he and Ryleigh’s staff provide a better overall dining experience for Ms. Wolfe and anyone else who may choose to patronize his business.
March 27th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Keenan:
Thanks for backing up my post about RHI. FH Main St. and the bar/restaurant owners continue to insult the intelligence of FH residents with that crapola. The FHHA is more of the same. I wish I had thought of the lung study analogy. :-)
Jeannie:
One can safely assume that all “events” in our neighborhood are alcohol centric. Events are not about the neighborhood, it’s about profits for the bar owners. Save for a moratorium on all outdoor drinking, i.e. festivals, Purple Patio (how in the heck can that be legal?), Friday night concerts, etc., nothing is going to change.
The passion you speak of is for profits on part bar/restaurant owners. Profits will always win out over what is best for the residents, so don’t expect City Hall to be sympathetic. The past “havoc” you speak of can’t even come close to the nonsense that is now presently taking place.
March 27th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Dick
Sorry to see that you can’t get out of the past. Your insult about the FHHA being more of the same “crapola” is the sort of position expected from someone who relies on studies. Our hospitality group is comprised of bars, upscale pubs and white table cloth/fine dining establishments. Seek the truth before you rely on a study. I can tell you our group was not officially a part of any study and nor do I honestly belive our members would argue the point that our neighborhood needs more “bars” because of a demographics change. I have not even read that report but I you have definately intrigued my interest!
All of this said, I invite you to come to our next FHHA meeting so that you will see/hear about the events and initiatives in the planning stages that will be a benefit to this community. We would love a residents perspective on our initiatives since all we care about is profits.
Security, cleanliness and events like family day in the park are all part of the mix for your information. Do I have your attention yet? If that is “crapola” then I suggest you stop throwing jabs for a bit and send over some legitimate suggestions of what you would like our organization to be working on. It will HELP rather than hinder the process of a better Federal Hill.
I also invite you to come in to Ryleigh’s Oyster sometime. Take some time out of your schedule and educate yourself about the good things happening w/ concerning food and drink in Federal Hill. It is not all beer guzzling, vandilism inappropriate bahavior. Really it is not. Get out of the past and the present negativity. I think you will be much happier for it.
Tonight would in fact be a good night as Ryleigh’s Oyster has flight nite tonite! In case you don’t know what a flight is…that means a selection usually consisting of three types of items like wine, oysters, cheeses and scallops. Your pick of any for $8!!!
Hope to see you soon and let me know if you would like to attend the FHHA April meeting @ Cork’s.
March 27th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Mr. McComas,
The “past” is still now. You might want to educate yourself with the difference between negativity and realism.
No doubt, FHHA will enlighten the residents as to what constitutes an “upscale pub”, but your group is not going to make one iota of changing the present mega-bar culture that is ingrained in Federal Hill. Mega-bars aint going anywhere my friend. Here’s how it works. I understand Ryleigh’s has plans to buy the building next door, knock out a wall and extend the present foot print. Then a game of three card monte is played using the now available liquor license. In a couple of years when you sell out, your upscale pub has all the trappings to become a mega-bar. See Drifters, Mad River, Mother’s, MaGerks as examples.
I think I aired a legitimate suggestion: a moratorium on ALL outdoor drinking. Are you willing to back that? Don’t think so. Upscale or not, you still benefit from jamming as many people as possible into Federal Hill, as often as possible.
Got to hand it to you though. Pretty shrewd turning a blog into an advertisement for Ryleigh’s.
March 27th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
Brian,
Federal Hill Main Street has been promoting and partnering with the “Responsible Hospitality Institute” for some time. Check out the lead article in their newsletter from last summer:
http://www.historicfederalhill.org/images/user/July-August%202007.pdf
But who is this group? More important, who pays their salaries? Check out the list of underwiters on the RHI website. 80% of them are beer, wine, and alcohol distributors and/or manufacturers.
http://rhiweb.org/aboutus/underwriters/index.htm
I hope you can appreciate the cynicism one might have about this organization playing a prominent role in development of the area.
March 27th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Dick,
I really wish that you would at a minimum take me up on my invitation to atted the next FHHA meeting. If that is not of interest I welcome a meeting anytime with you so that we can discuss the past, present and more importantly FUTURE of our neighborhood.
The FHHA is an organization consisting of a diverse group of bars, pubs and restaurants. I think if you give me the time I can answer some questions about the FHHA, our goals and intiatives and possibly we can bridge the gap between uneccessary negativity and realism. The reality is that the neighborhood, as I stated in an earlier post, is experiencing growing pains. How about we do something about it together?
With regard to your suggestion of a moratorium on ALL outdoor drinking…that is just the kind of suggestion I would like to understand in more detail and in all honesty understand why or how you have come to that position. IE..I would reply that perhaps some outdoor drinking should stop if it is a historical problem…but my argument would be why would you oppose table service? Facts are that if we had more outdoor venues w/ seating, more establishments would take care of the neighborhood that extends from their doorstep! In fact most areas that have outdoor seating, etc. have proven that vagrancy will in fact decline! BTW..How come I never see anybody complaining about that? I personally would rather have the occasional unsavory Frat boys than the cast of characters we have sleeping on our streets.
My point is…topics like this are exactly the topics we should sit down and talk about! I am game if you are.
I am signing off…for good. No more blogging for me. I have said my peace. I have made an attempt to speak to you and others about these hot button issues. I once again extend an invitation for ALL interested parties to contact me directly anytime at brian@ryleighs.com
I always have time to talk about improving a neighborhood that we obviously both care about!
sincerely- Brian
March 28th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Why would a reporter write an article wherein the liquor board is criticized by at least one quotation and not contact the board for comment? This liquor board has been tougher on underage drinking and bad neighbor bars than perhaps any other in the history of the city. I don’t think the article is balanced and the board would appreciate equal time.
March 28th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
How does the Guide run a cover story about the Board’s closing of a troubled bar one week in the Southeast Edition and then write an article critical of the Board in the South Edition the next week without even referencing the Board’s very recent action(s)in the Guide’s coverage area?
http://www.baltimoreguide.com/2008/03/20/liquor-board-moves-close-chucks-place/#respond
March 29th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
A few people have written disparagingly in this blog and the related blog about the tendency of the bars towards profit-seeking – e.g., the words “greed” and “almighty dollar sign” have been invoked. My take on this is that the profit motive is undeniably a major driver of most businesses. Similar motives permeate most of our lives – I know I’d have trouble getting out the door to work most mornings if they weren’t paying me. Perhaps we should accept profit-seeking among the bars as a fact – albeit a fact to be dealt with in certain respects – and not get too personal about it.
A lot of good things come out of the bars’ quest for profits. That’s what drives them to renovate their properties, to improve their food offerings, to offer little dinner (appetizer?) packages like those on “flight night.” It gets rude waitstaff fired and encourages bars to clean their own bathrooms. Unfortunately, the profit motive doesn’t do everything we would like it to do, and that seems to be where the difficulties arise. It doesn’t weigh on bars (and other establishments!) to clean up their own sidewalks or their general vicinities. It provides way too little impetus to keep the noise down. And it provides exactly the wrong incentives as far as over-drinking and over-crowding of the neighborhood.
There are a few general approaches to addressing this problem. One is to get the bars to “internalize” the problem by somehow aligning the profit motive with desired behaviors. Brian’s remark that “if we had more outdoor venues w/ seating, more establishments would take care of the neighborhood that extends from their doorstep” is a good example of this approach. Unfortunately, I think, this particular suggestion would only exacerbate most of the other problems we face, especially that of overcrowding in the area at night (and its attendant parking, noise, and vandalism problems). Another approach is to build community with the bar owners, so that they will come to see the interests of the community with a greater esteem, and maybe forgo some revenues or (equivalently) incur some costs in order to be better team players for the community. This approach seems to have potential to bear some fruit; and again Brian has suggested increased collaboration through various organizations. I think, though, that realistically there are difficult-to-avoid limitations on this potential. We are talking about a lot of money being made by the very bars that are causing the biggest troubles for the residents – and even if you got those bars to step back, how do you prevent others from stepping up?
The third approach – government oversight – is the one most often taken and relied upon to manage these types of problems. That is because it is by far the most promising and effective approach. In particular, the state regulates the provision of alcohol, employing a significant force to do so. This system is supposed to keep bars from serving minors, but also keep them from over-serving anyone. In Baltimore, the liquor board is supposed to weigh the interests of the community whenever a bar wants to relocate or expand its premises; it also has the responsibility of ensuring that bar owners are of sufficiently high character. The city also has a planning department that is supposed to enforce zoning regulations; these are supposed to follow plans that logically and fairly consider the community’s needs. Right now, for example, there should be no live music being performed except in the 8×10 club, or any establishment having received explicit permission. That includes DJs. In the future, it seems, live entertainment may be allowed, but only those of the non-amplified variety.
In my opinion (and, it seems, in others’ opinions as well) is that the enforcement of these government agencies is in need of attention. Many have noted troubling instances here where practices that go against the local regulations are acted upon by no one. I could list several more. Perhaps the problem lies in the ways the regulations are written? Perhaps it has to do with underfunding in the agencies? Perhaps shining more light on the situation will energize the appropriate parties? I encourage everyone in the community to dialog with their local representatives about this. For example, City Council president Rawlings-Blake has an event coming up in which she’ll be seeking input.
As to Steve, who wrote about the one-sided criticism of the liquor board in this blog, I’ll give my 2 cents. The current liquor board (since O’Malley became governor) has been making great strides, and people appreciate that. Unfortunately, it appears that the board is working through a backlog of less effective administration in the past that has affected people’s perceptions over the long run. Any further perspective you could provide would certainly be appreciated.
March 31st, 2008 at 11:24 am
Prepare for someone to be maimed or killed in or out infront of Cheerleaders in Fell’s Pnt . Cheerleaders is the new 723 Club. We fought for 10 years to have the Liquor Brd of Balt. Cty do something about the growing problems at the now defunct 723 Club. Two people were killed and one stabbed out front of the 723 Club after they switched their venue to hip hop (racist or not these are the facts)The other bars (except for Berthas) refused to say any thing bad about one of their own untill things were financially affecting their own businesses. The bars of course then were in a full fledged panic over the bad press Fell’s Point Bars were getting and then the Liqour Brd feeling the political pressure …swoops in like the big hero and not only closes the 723 Club but revokestheir license. So the moral of the story is if you want any thing to happen you have to wait for a murder or two and then the benevolent hero’s of the liqour board will come to your aide.
April 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pm
I am glad that this conversation has stirred such a flurry of discussion however I am disappointed by the lack of substantive solutions. The bottom line is the current state for residents of Federal Hill is uncomfortable to say the least. Call it growing pains but work to fix the issues as a neighborhood not as a series of disintegrated organizations. There are so many neighborhood organizations these days I don’t know where to turn. (Federal Hill Main Street, SOBOIMCO, FHNA, FHHA, etc.) How about an umbrella organization just to look out for what’s best for the neighborhood both commercially and residentially? I can guarantee that a strong partnership between the residents and the businesses will enhance the level of satisfaction residents have with THEIR neighborhood and with the businesses’ bottomlines. I mean is it just me or wouldn’t these bars/restaurants like to have people come to their establishments during the day and at night? There is very little reason for people to come to Federal Hill during the day. Yes many of you may point to all of the new businesses on Charles St (Babes, Amy’s, Phina’s, that place with the beehive on their sign, Petit Cochon, etc.) but there is a lack of cohesion between the people who will shop at those places versus those that will stick around to go out at night in our neighborhood these days and this is a problem. All I would like to see is a true partnership between the neighborhood associations, the residents, and the businesses for the betterment of the community.
April 1st, 2008 at 7:44 pm
“All I would like to see is a true partnership between the neighborhood associations, the residents, and the businesses for the betterment of the community.”
So Would I, Mike. I second that (e)motion.